Jul 21, 2020
In the final episode (115) of the first season of Moxielicious,
I’m joined by Cher Hale, the founder and director of Ginkgo PR – a
boutique agency that believes in using public relations as a force
for good. Ginkgo specializes in boosting visibility for
underrepresented or marginalized authors, experts, and
entrepreneurs through comprehensive communication and media
relations efforts.
As a Taiwanese-Black American woman, Cher is passionate about
leveraging the power of media to tell diverse stories through
online, print, TV, radio, and podcast mediums so she can play a
role in reshaping how our society views social justice, give-back
initiatives, feminism, and multiculturalism.
Cher and I first met over a decade ago when I was her women’s
studies professor!
As I share in the episode, I was absolutely blown away by her
critical thinking and fierce work ethic. I loved her passion for
social justice and after our class concluded, I invited her to be
my intern and support the launch of my first book.
Cher and I have stayed in one another’s lives ever since.
She’s supported my women’s leadership programs. Planned my baby
shower! I recently hired her company to lead publicity for my
Step into Your Moxie book launch. And we both spoke
this past March at Alt Summit.
I suspect Cher was my last non-family member hug before the
quarantine.
It felt very appropriate to invite Cher onto Moxielicious to
close-out the season with a conversation about how to amplify the
voices of folx who are Black, Indigenous, or non-Black People of
Color (BIPOC).
Whether you are a minority or (emerging) thought leader, or you
are white and want to use your power and privilege to #SharetheMic,
I think you’re going to love Cher’s awesome and actionable
recommendations and soul-expanding storytelling.
During our rich conversation, we discuss Cher’s:
- Advice to white folx who want to amplify BIPOC voices and
minimize centering themselves during conversations on race and
whiteness (especially when introducing BIPOC experts to their
communities)
- Top pitching advice for BIPOC listeners who want to connect
their work to the racial uprising happening in the United States
(and throughout much of the world) BUT also avoid being “the race
expert”
- Unorthodox tips for how all of us can do a better job of
leveraging our publicity and media for business success (Hint: It’s
all about creating mutually-beneficial relationships with podcast
hosts)
- Beliefs (which I share!) about how to use media and publicity
as a vehicle for addressing social justice issues
In this episode
- All about today’s guest, Cher Hale [ 6:45 ]
- How external validation can be a driver [ 12:50 ]
- Top pitching advice for BIPOC listeners [ 14:45 ]
- How to avoid being “the race expert” [ 17:05 ]
- Advice to white folx who want to amplify BIPOC voices [ 19:20
]
- Recommendations for business owners to go after visibility
opportunities [ 23:45 ]
- About creating mutually-beneficial relationships with podcast
hosts [ 27:50 ]
- How to use media and publicity as a vehicle for addressing
social justice issues [ 34:25 ]
Moxielicous quotes
- “Choose the right mediums and the right messages to fuel the
path you are taking.”
- “Consider what gaps are preventing you from being strongly
considered for interviews.”
- “Focus on the whole picture.”
- “Just because you know a Black person, you cannot ask them how
to be anti-racist.”
- “If you’re worried that your story no longer matters, the only
downside is hearing ‘no, it’s not a fit.’ Change your relationship
with rejection.”
- “Always listen to the podcast. When you skip listening to the
show, you never get a feel for the podcast host.”
Resources mentioned in this episode
- Connect with Cher Hale on her website (and be sure to sign-up
for her “The Pitch List”) and via Instagram
and her Facebook
page.
- Curious to learn more about Moxielicious: The
Mastermind? If you are a coach, consultant, or expert who
is ready to up level into a profitable, go-to thought leader,
Apply Now.
- Want to amplify your voice, visibility, and
influence? Grab my book, Step into
Your Moxie,
here.
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